Size column in Everything uses different method than other programs do

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

My large test file shows in

● Windows [10 Enterprise 20H2 x64] Explorer: 31.4 GB (33,811,154,600 bytes) - for Size in Properties
● Windows [10 Enterprise 20H2 x64] Explorer: 31.4 GB (33,811,156,992 bytes) - for Size on disk in Properties
● Windows [10 Enterprise 20H2 x64] Explorer: 33,018,706 KB - for Size column
● FreeCommander XE 2023 Build 906 64-bit Donor Portable: 31.49 GB - for Size Auto column
● Mp3tag 3.25 x64 Portable: 31.49 GB - for Size column
● Everything 1.5.0.1372a x64 Portable: 33.811 GB - for Size column

Where is this difference coming from between Everything and also used by me on a daily basis FreeCommander and Mp3Tag? I do not really care for what Windows Explorer is showing in its column for size of items, but how can I switch in Everything to reporting method used by these 2 other my go-to programs?

[tuska]

That's how it looks for me:

Everything.ini

Code: Select all

size_ceil_search=0

2024-04-20_Size in Everything and Total Commander.png (31.58 KiB) Viewed 12479 times

 
References:
size:
Request: Number value exactness tolerance and approximation
Total-Size-On-Disk, Total-Disk-Size, Free-Disk-Size, Available-Free-Disk-Size

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

Thank you for these detailed references


It seem that I would have to switch back from using

Tools > Options > View > Size standard > Metric

to

Tools > Options > View > Size standard > JEDIC

but then it would be bringing back this issue: viewtopic.php?t=14336

But then I could workaround that by switching from

Tools > Options > View > Size format > Auto

to e.g.

Tools > Options > View > Size format > MB

but I just do not know which trade-off is worse for me. Maybe I should adjust what my FreeCommander is showing- if it is possible at all? But then again I would also have to change it in Mp3tag [which apparently uses JEDIC with auto]- which to my knowledge is impossible

This is hell of a conundrum

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

[...]
This is hell of a conundrum

Yep, this is what I get in [left to right] FreeCommander, Everything and Mp3tag for the same set of files with unit bordering sizes:

SIZE TEST.jpg (611.15 KiB) Viewed 12392 times

I like what I see in Everything, which was achieved by using

Tools > Options > View > Size standard > Metric
Tools > Options > View > Size format > Auto

settings - but despite turning on every possible version in FreeCommander I still always get different numbers. [While Mp3tag I can leave out as it is as I seldomly need to take a precise info about size from that particular program]

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

So does anyone have any solutions for dealing with this brain-teaser?

How to rather match FreeCommander with what is Everything showing, as currently

[...]
I like what I see in Everything, which was achieved by using

Tools > Options > View > Size standard > Metric
Tools > Options > View > Size format > Auto
[...]

?

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

Or maybe there could be done some upgrade to Everything, so that it could match FreeCommander's other methods?

[void]

What column in FreeCommander are you trying to match?

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

I think matching in Everything what and how FreeCommander shows in the Size column would be what I wish for; with the caveat of not

[...]
bringing back this issue
[...]

download/file.php?id=3717

[void]

The following should match the size column from FreeCommander:

Tools -> Options -> View -> Size standard = JEDEC
Tools -> Options -> View -> Size format = Auto
Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> size_auto_ceil=Floor
Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> size_auto_format=3 digits

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

Unfortunately it does not

SIZE TEST Everything - settings proposton 1.jpg (257.52 KiB) Viewed 11722 times

[And 2 digits after decimal sign is what I am aming for]

[void]

Please try setting size_auto_format to 3 digits (not 3 decimal places):
Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> size_auto_format=3 digits

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

I still have mismatches

SIZE TEST Everything - settings proposton 2.jpg (289.17 KiB) Viewed 11711 times

[void]

What is the exact size in bytes for each file?

So I can work out formulas used here..

To quickly see the file sizes in bytes, include the following in your search:

addcol:a a:=$size:

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

As reported by the dir command in CMD:

SIZE TEST 01.mp3 ▶ 1 022 242
SIZE TEST 02.mp3 ▶ 1 024 002
SIZE TEST 03.mp3 ▶ 1 024 153
SIZE TEST 04.mp3 ▶ 1 036 810
SIZE TEST 05.mp3 ▶ 1 048 308
SIZE TEST 06.mp3 ▶ 1 048 660
SIZE TEST 07.mp3 ▶ 1 063 586
SIZE TEST 08.mp3 ▶ 1 066 666
SIZE TEST 09.mp3 ▶ 1 073 728 304
SIZE TEST 10.mp3 ▶ 1 073 742 524
SIZE TEST 11.mp3 ▶ 1 073 748 684
SIZE TEST 12.mp3 ▶ 1 081 926 620
SIZE TEST 13.mp3 ▶ 1 093 171 282

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

[...]
work out formulas used
[...]

Maybe I should just ask on the Commandeer forum its creator about this i.e. what method / adjustment Everything needs in this regard?

[horst.epp]

For me, Everything should not try to follow any 3rd party file manager's size display.
The reference on a Windows system should be the Explorer and nothing else.

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

So if my goal is to have a unified and also size reported, I should start by addressing this issue with FreeCommander's author, because Everything is currently reporting exactly what it should?

[void]

Everything 1.5.0.1384a changes how the size is formatted when using size_auto_format != 3 digits.

0 to 3 decimal place formatting with JEDEC will now use 0.99MB instead of 1023 KB

Does this match your desired formatting?

[Thy Grand Voidinesss]

For me, Everything should not try to follow any 3rd party file manager's size display.

Well I would gladly match FreeCommander to Everything - but it lacks such options

The reference on a Windows system should be the Explorer and nothing else.

I have stopped using Windows Explorer after going from Windows XP to Windows 7 on the account WE still being user-unfriendly and having useless search feature

Everything 1.5.0.1384a changes
[...]
your desired formatting?

I am using now Everything 1.5.0.1396a x64 Portable with such settings:

Tools > Options > View > Size standard > JEDIC
Tools > Options > View > Size format > Auto
Tools > Options > View > Advanced > size_auto_ceil > Floor
Tools > Options > View > Advanced > size_auto_format > 3 digits

And what I sort by Size then what I get is:
● none of test file is jumping the queue i.e. they gradually go from 01 to 13
● I see 2 digits after the dot sign
● headache

Aside from the headache, these are desired. And the pain is due to trying to wrap my mind around this issue

Is the inconvenient truth that every program can use whatever method for counting, sorting and notation - and thus trying to match all 3 aspects across even as little as 2 programs [like in my would-be-satisfactory pair of Everything & FreeCommander] is a whack-a-mole game? And so, if I am most pleased with that what and how I see in is in Everything, then I should treat it as my own personal gold standard? Alike to others might treat Windows Explorer?

[horst.epp]

Is the inconvenient truth that every program can use whatever method for counting, sorting and displaying - and thus trying to match them is a whack-a-mole game? And so, if I am most pleased with that what and how I see in is in Everything, then I should treat it as my own personal gold standard? Alike to others might treat Windows Explorer?

I never use Windows Explorer,
but some of its display should still be the master for 3rd party tools like Everything.
If this is not followed, a lot of users will complain.
Every tool is free to add its own functions, but this should not break defacto Windows standards.