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ajfudge
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Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by ajfudge » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:38 am

First of all, I hope this is the right section to post about this.

Second, here's a screenshot of what I'm trying to describe:
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As I understand it, those files are already deleted from my hard drive and yet they still appear in the result.
Note that my Recycle Bin is empty.
Pls. enlighten me and help me remove those from the results. Do I have to do something with my hard drive?
TIA.


EDIT: I posted the wrong screenshot on my initial post. It's been corrected now.

salazor
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by salazor » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:50 am

What format is the D: drive NTFS or FAT32?

I suspect that FAT32, because the format is not automatically monitored, if so, click the Folders tab "Update now" or Indexes "Force rebuild"

ajfudge
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by ajfudge » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:21 am

Hi,

The disk is NTFS. I also tried rebuilding the database (Force Rebuild) to no avail.
The disk also has "Monitor changes" checked.

salazor
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by salazor » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:33 am

What version Everything?

Maybe these are hidden files from within Explorer can not see them.

Check the attributes, or turn on the Explorer show hidden files.

Stamimail
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by Stamimail » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:19 pm

@ajfudge
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HlJmnA2ayOQ/U ... ders02.jpg
https://sourceforge.net/projects/quickhide/

Btw, If I'm allowed to ask:
1. You have special buttons in the title/caption of the window. Where does it come from?
2. What screenshot program are you using?

Thanks

therube
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by therube » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:12 pm

I suspect the files are there, even though "recycle bin" may show as "empty".

Actually open $recyler$ (or whatever it is called), with a real file manager, & see if those files are not actually there, left behind from times past, & no longer recognized as "part of" recycle bin.


(On XP, a simple DIR in C:\RECYCLER\{guid}\ will show what is there. Not sure offhand if the same holds true on Win7, but I suspect so.)


See, How to include Recycle Bin in results?

ajfudge
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by ajfudge » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:37 pm

salazor,
Everything versions is 1.3.4.686 (64-bit)
Hmmm. I don't think they're hidden files because their location is in the Recycle Bin.
To asnwer your question, those that appear as Folders have Read-Only attribute, whereas those that appear as Files have no attributes checked.

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Stamimail,
1) Actual Window Manager
2) FastStone Screen Capture


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@therube,
I will try what you suggested.

UPDATE: Tried opening the Recycle Bin using alternatives to Explorer. They turned up empty.

salazor
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by salazor » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:05 pm

Try Version 1.4 Beta 713b or 716b

therube
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by therube » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:00 pm

Are you sure you opened the "right" subdirectory within $Recycle.Bin (there may be more then one).
And are there not (at least) desktop.ini file(s) in there.
Your file manger does show Hidden/System files, no?

froggie
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by froggie » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:54 pm

As therube said, there can be more than one directory in the recycle bin. Each directory belongs to a different Userid or a different iteration of a Userid(from various causes).

Try this: Delete a file (any file - you can create and delete one for this test). If you look in your recycle bin you should see the one file. If you look in Everything, you should see one additional file. Look at the path for this new file - it should be different (probably just the last few numbers) from the other files you are seeing in $Recycle.bin. That is the directory for the recycle bin for your current Userid.

ajfudge
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by ajfudge » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:54 pm

therube,
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
But here's an update:
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Hidden/system files are set as unhidden.
As you can see, Recycle Bin remains empty while Everything still detects those.
How do I navigate a subdirectory in Recycle Bin if it shows up empty?

froggie,
will try what you suggested. But I already identified the three different Recycle Bins on C:/ for three Users.

therube
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by therube » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:13 pm

(Never really paid attention, but) in Win7 it seems that every drive has (its own) $Recycle.Bin directory.

So if you are going to "manually" look, you need to check each drive.
And if you're going to manually look, you need to have a program that "sees".

I don't know Windows Explorer, don't use it.
But if I check Windows Explorer ("Recycle Bin"), it shows a sum total of 1 file (for all my drives).
I see that it shows it to be in E:, & looking at E:\$Recycle.Bin, I see that there are physically 36 items (including 3 subdirectories).

The particular item that "Recycle Bin" shows happens to be the item, "$RKJ138A.URL".

And lets see what happens once I delete that from "Recycle Bin"...

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https://s25.postimg.cc/wvldr9c71/Recycl ... _Empty.png

1. Recycle Bin, 1 file is shown
2. Whoa, look'y here, more then 1 file physically exists, file in red is the 1 file that "Recycle Bin" shows
3. What Everything shows for '$Recycle.Bin E:' (with Path enabled)
4. Look, I've now "cleared" the "Recycle Bin", Recycle Bin is "empty"
5. Well, not quite, everything that was there, is still there, except for the 1 file that actually got deleted


So... most likely, what Everything shows is correct. You just need to look "correctly".
Altap Salamander (pay) can see correctly.
I'm sure you can find other free* & pay file managers that will too.

*salam152.zip, free, ancient, but but is "enough" to let you see correctly. (You have to enable display of System files in its options. And I'm not sure I'd actually "trust" it on current OS, but at least it can see correctly. [And you can come up with current freeware file managers too.])

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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by froggie » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:46 am

ajfudge wrote:froggie,
will try what you suggested. But I already identified the three different Recycle Bins on C:/ for three Users.
So Everything is telling the truth - these files exist on the disk. If your want to clean them up, first try to delete them from Everything (may not work depending on security rights), or by signing on as each of the users and emptying their Recycle bins. I can give you other ways to delete them if you have administrative rights on the computer.

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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by ajfudge » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:10 pm

froggie,
I have admin rights. I did try deleting those via Everything but it didn't work.
I now have found a solution, though, following therube's instructions.

therube,
I couldn't believe that the default Windows Explorer couldn't show me those files inside the Recycle Bin.
Even the other Explorer alternatives failed in that regard. Not every Explorer is created equal, it appears.
The one software that finally allowed me to "see" and remove those files is SE-Explorer.

So thank you very much for your help and patience, both of you.

But to satisfy my curiosity, why did those files "hid" from me?
Are they files that haven't been completely processed when I deleted them? Corrupt files? They aren't even hidden files.

froggie
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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by froggie » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:25 am

ajfudge wrote:froggie,
But to satisfy my curiosity, why did those files "hid" from me?
Are they files that haven't been completely processed when I deleted them? Corrupt files? They aren't even hidden files.

Basic explaination: Say there are two userids - U1 and U2. Windows gives U1 different security credentials from U2. If you are signed on as U1, you can not read, write or delete U2's files, so Windows explorer will not even show them to you.

Everything runs with Administrative credentials, so it is able to list, well, everything. As far as deleting files, Everything seems to have been designed to honor the security credentials assigned to the signed on userid. So U1 can not delete U2's files.

SE- Explorer just ignores most security and can delete almost any file. This has its uses, but can also get you in trouble.

The trend in Windows design is towards increased security - which makes it harder for viruses & spyware to infest your computer, among other advantages.

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Re: Everything shows me files that no longer exist

Post by therube » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:01 pm

why did those files "hid" from me?
Are they files that haven't been completely processed when I deleted them? Corrupt files? They aren't even hidden files.
They didn't hide from you.
They "hide" themselves from the Windows Explorer mechanism that keeps tracks of files that it indexes. IOW Windows Explorer didn't know that they existed, so it showed you what it did know, nothing, & so saying (Recycle Bin) was "empty".
Most likely the files were simply leftover from time in the distant past, for whatever reasons - OS change/update or something like that.

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