Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

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vkapadia
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Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:47 pm

I've been having this problem just recently, started probably a couple weeks ago. After a while, my computer would slow down a bunch. Looking in Task Manager, it shows Everything is using a ton of memory. It's over 1.5gb memory, it's even outstripping my 30+ Google Chrome tabs. Trying to open Everything does nothing, the window never comes up. I have to force shutdown Everything then start it back up, after which it starts indexing again. Any ideas on what I can do to find the problem?

horst.epp
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by horst.epp » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:12 am

Sorry but such a post is almost useless.
What about any information about your OS, Everything version and bitnes ?

NotNull
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by NotNull » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:23 am

First guess:
You are running out of RAM and therefor Everything starts swapping (temporarily save parts of RAM to disk to create space for other activities). Everything is very sensitive to that as the entire Everything database is loaded in RAM.

1.5 GB RAM usage would correspond with about 15-20 million files and folders ("objects") indexed by Everything.
How many objects does Everything indicate on your system? See the left side of the status bar for that.

To check if the freezing is indeed cause by swapping, next time this occurs close Chrome instead of Everything.
That should free a lot of RAM, giving Everything more "breathing room" and solve the freeze.
(If theory is correct)


Some other questions:
- 32 or 64 bit Everything?
- Which version of Everything?
- What Windows version?
- How much RAM do ou have in your system?
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by NotNull » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:24 am

horst.epp wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:12 am
Sorry but such a post is almost useless.
What about any information about your OS, Everything version and bitnes ?
Sorry didn't see that when typing ..

@vkapadia: What horst.epp said :)

vkapadia
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:45 pm

Apologies, should have mentioned.

OS: Windows 10
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x
RAM: 32GB
Everything version: 1.4.1.935 (x64)
Bitnes: i don't know what that is
Objects: 8 million

I kept Everything running since yesterday, it seems to be ok for now. When I opened it yesterday, it went up to 1.5gb ram, looks like it settled down to about 740mb now.

I'll update this if anything changes.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by horst.epp » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:49 pm

vkapadia wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:45 pm
Apologies, should have mentioned.
...
Bitnes: i don't know what that is
...
I should have written bitness and not bitnes.
Bitness is the definition of what OS version you have, x86 (32bit) or x64 (64bit)

vkapadia
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:31 pm

Ah lol. 64 bit Windows 10, running 64 bit Everything.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by therube » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:30 pm

And what options are enabled in; Tools | Options | Indexes ?

vkapadia
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:09 pm

Index recent changes
Index file size
Fast size sort
Index date modified
Fast date modified sort
Fast path sort

NotNull
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by NotNull » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:02 pm

NotNull wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:23 am
First guess:
You are running out of RAM
vkapadia wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:45 pm
RAM: 32GB
Well, it looks like that first guess is off the table .. :)
Keep us posted if this happens again.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:01 pm

Yeah this is a nicely spec'ed computer, just built it this past summer. Doubt it has memory issues. I tried to unlock my computer this morning and it was stuck (the login screen took my pin but kept spinning). I had to reboot. Not sure if it was related to the Everything memory issue. Things seem fine for now, will keep an eye on it.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by NotNull » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:28 am

Just a thought (second guess ;)):

Consider running a memory testing program like Memtest86. It might be a hardware issue.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by therube » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:28 pm

I tried to unlock my computer this morning and it was stuck (the login screen took my pin but kept spinning).
I've had that any number of times of late (on a piece of crap Win10 system - not mine) when I've tried to log in under a second user account name.

Computer is asleep.
Wake it up.
Select user account.
Enter password.

& that's it. Sits there doing nothing. Have to do a hard shutdown & restart.


(In my case, pretty sure Everything is not the issue. I'd look at crap 10.)

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:51 pm

Yeah I know the login screen issue was not Everything. I just mentioned it because that's the reason I had to reboot. This morning, logged in just fine, but pc was going slow. Lo and behold, Everything was stuck again. Screenshot of Everything window and Task Manager is below. I couldn't even paste the screenshot into Paint until I killed Everything.

I'll run memtest and see what I get.

Screenshot:
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by void » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:17 am

Could you please try running Everything in debug mode:
  • In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /debug
Wait for Everything to freeze again.
What is shown in the debug console?

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:42 pm

Ok, started debug mode. Will report back if it freezes. Thanks!

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by therube » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:45 pm

Your Ryzen is 8 core, so 7.7% is close to 100% CPU, for 1 core?

And Everything & bztransmit & antimalware are all using (close to) 1 core, each?

Are your files store in the cloud (blackblaze) rather then locally?

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:35 pm

@therube my files are local, bztransmit just backs them up to cloud. Here's the screenshot for task manager this morning, shows only Everything doing much, taking over 5gb ram!
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:37 pm

Also, Resource Monitor shows all cores being used a little, no one core is at 100%.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:38 pm

@void here is a screenshot of the debug window, whole buffer is pasted at https://paste.ee/p/SuuiE
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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by void » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:48 am

Thanks for the logs.

Everything might be taking a long time to process many changes.

Have you noticed, when Everything hangs, does the memory usage keep growing?

Could you please try running Everything in verbose debug mode:
  • In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /debug
  • Type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /verbose
Wait for Everything to freeze again.
What is shown in the debug console?
verbose mode should show more detailed log of what Everything is processing..

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:16 pm

@void

Yes, it keeps growing. This morning it was almost 7gb. I'll run in verbose and report back. Thanks for helping out!

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:03 pm

This morning again around 7gb memory. Here's the verbose log. https://paste.ee/p/ZCq8x

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:20 pm

Looks like all those images its trying to index are Plex video thumbnails. I've excluded the Plex data folder from indexing. Let's see if that helps. I've kept verbose debug running just in case.

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by void » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:54 pm

Thanks for the verbose debug logs.

There are thousands of entries of Everything updating Find Data for image files that have been modified.
It doesn't explain the high memory usage, even if there are millions of file changes.

Please let me know if excluding the plex data folder helps.

Please consider disabling extended information cache monitor and disabling size and date modified indexing.
With these disabled, Everything will no longer process files that have been modified:
  • In Everything, from the Tools menu, click Options.
  • Click Index on the left.
  • Uncheck Index file size.
  • Uncheck Index date created.
  • Uncheck Index date modified.
  • Uncheck Index date accessed.
  • Uncheck Index attributes.
  • Click OK.
  • In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /extended_information_cache_monitor=0

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Re: Everything using lots of RAM and freezes

Post by vkapadia » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:40 pm

Been running for several days now with no issues. I unchecked those options anyway, just to help performance. Thanks so much!

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