Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

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fury
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Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:57 am

I'm running Everything 1.4.1.935 (x64) under Win10 Pro x64 1809. I started having issues recently. Frequently, new files won't show up until I manually do a "Force Rebuild".

It's not the search string at fault, because I leave that as-is, and the files appear after the rebuild is complete.

This happens on all my drives, and I've run CHKDSK, to no avail.

void
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:29 am

I suspect this is due to short filenames being used in the USN Journal.
I would need to see debug logs to be sure.

Please disable short filenames and let me know if the issue persists.

To disable short filenames:
  • From a admin command prompt, run the following command:
    fsutil.exe behavior set disable8dot3 1
This operation takes effect immediately (no restart required).
https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/help/121007/how-to-disable-8-3-file-name-creation-on-ntfs-partitions

Resolving shortnames in the USN journal is on my TODO list.

fury
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:22 pm

Thank you.

I disabled 8.3 creation (and verified the registry setting), but it seems the issue persists.

I'll look into enabling debug logging.

void
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:41 am

Thanks for the reply.

Could you please check "monitor changes" is enabled for all your NTFS volumes:
  • In Everything, from the Tools menu, click Options.
  • Click the NTFS tab on the left.
  • For each NTFS volume:
    • Check Monitor Changes.
  • Click OK.

fury
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:45 am

Thanks. It's enabled for all, and was previously.

void
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:44 am

Thanks for the reply.

Please try enabling debug logging:
  • In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /debug_log=1
  • Restart Everything:
    Type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /restart
Notes:
Debug logs can grow very large.
Debug logs are overwritten when you start Everything.

After you have detected Everything has missed a file system change, could you please send your %TEMP%\Everything Debug Log.txt to support@voidtools.com

Please compress this file before sending. If the compressed file is larger than 10MB, please let me know.

To disable debug logging:
  • In Everything, type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /debug_log=0
  • Restart Everything:
    Type in the following search and press ENTER:
    /restart

fury
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:15 am

I apologize (well, potentially). Before I posted previously, Everything did fail to index a new file I'd just created. But since then, I haven't had an issue. So the previous fix may have at least partially solved the problem.

Sorry--I only use it a few times a day, so it takes time for me to establish patterns. I test for a living, and don't have the wherewithal to do it off-hours as well.

I'll follow your advice if needed, and will follow up either way.

void
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:11 am

Thanks for the reply.

I should note that disabling 8.3 filenames will only effect new files.
Old files will still have 8.3 filenames which might be used in the USN change journal.

fury
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:53 am

I still had the issue after my last post. But privacy concerns prevented me from creating and sending a log.

However, I reverted to 1.4.1.877 awhile back, and have not had the issue with it.

therube
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by therube » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:18 pm

Anything "special" with the files that did not show; name, path, how they were created, application that created them ... ?

fury
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:51 pm

Not that I'm aware of. It was happening with a variety of files, created by different applications.

tuska
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:29 pm

I would also like to join on this subject and give an example below.
As a rule, all entries in the status bar only appear on my PC, when I manually run "Force Rebuild".

Example:
- y.txt created in D:\Daten
- 941,688 entries are displayed
- wfn:y.txt -> file exists in Everything (immediately!)
- Execute export ... 941688.efu (150 MB)
- Force Rebuild
- 943,748 entries are displayed
- Execute export ... 943748.efu (151 MB)

Difference in .efu files: 2060 entries (!)
Compare file contents: 2261 difference(s) found
The difference in entries is usually between 200 and a few thousand entries.
The number of entries often differs by about 1250.


Not immediately in the index are usually files from the following folders:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Norton 360\... -> example below...
C:\ProgramData\Norton\...
C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\... -> example below...

Examples - the following two files were only visible in Everything after "Force Rebuild":

1. file BrandCfg.dat.data - changed/last access on 5.8.2019, created on 20.2.2018
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Norton 360\NortonData\22.7.0.76\hlinks\BrandCfg.dat.data",9860,132094933254656574,131636388178757516,32

2. file bth.inf_loc - changed/created/last access on 3.10.2018
"C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Microsoft.LanguageExperiencePackde-DE_18362.14.49.0_neutral__8wekyb3d8bbwe\Windows\System32\driverstore\de-DE\bth.inf_loc",5202,131830417574845224,131830417512185068,262176

The following questions arise for me:
- How can it be that I find a just created text file (D:\Daten\y.txt) IMMEDIATELY in Everything and
  other files from drive C: with an older date are not in the index?
- Could it be that Everything has no access to these files for some reason?
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PS: Concerning the topic "short filenames" I haven't done anything yet.
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Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.4OGHz, 16 GB RAM
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:50 am

Today I did an additional test with the 32 bit version of Everything.
The 32 bit and the 64 bit version behave identical in my opinion.

Only after a "Force Rebuild" all data are available in the file Everything.db.
In this case the difference was 2,255 entries and it was again the above mentioned paths.

For me this is no problem, because I never search for files in these folders on drive C:.
If I should search for it, my file manager will find these files (tested).

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Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.4OGHz, 16 GB RAM
Everything - Version 1.4.1.954 (x64) - Beta Nightly Builds
Portable on Systemdrive C: (x64) and portable on drive D: (x32)

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:09 am

Thanks for the information.

It sounds like the NTFS monitors are working, except some files are missed.

Could you please run Everything in debug mode, you don't have to send me any of the logs..

Just look for lines in red like the following:
unable to update ntfs folder: ABC: folder not found
unable to update ntfs folder: ABC: parent 0123456701234567 not found
folder name ABC already exist, yet FRN 0123456701234567 doesn't
unable to remove ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: file not found
unable to rename ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: move into child
unable to rename ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: not found
unable to rename ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: new parent not found
unable to add ntfs file: ABC.txt: parent 0123456701234567 not found
unable to remove ntfs file: ABC: file not found

Also look for the following errors in grey:
read NTFS usn journal failed x
read usn journal: bad cb x
read usn journal: record overflow
read usn journal: bad file name offset x, length y
read usn journal: bad record length x

If you see any of these messages, please let me know.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:27 pm

Thank you for this detailed description for troubleshooting.

I did the following with Version 1.4.1.955 (x64) under
Windows 10 Pro (x64) Version 1903 (OS build 18362.418):

1. viewtopic.php?p=25825#p25825
    /debug_log=1
    /restart
2. Force Rebuild
3. %TEMP%\Everything Debug Log.txt
    Check for entries listed above
4. /debug_log=0
    /restart
---------------------------------
- 941984 entries
- Force Rebuild
- 943234 entries --- Difference: 1250 entries
- %TEMP%\Everything Debug Log.txt (55,1 KB) --> copied to another location and renamed to Everything Debug Log_Test1.txt
- Force Rebuild again on 22.10.2019 13:46
- 943234 entries --- same as before
- %TEMP%\Everything Debug Log.txt (128 KB)
   Everything Debug Log.txt -> File size is constantly growing...

Lines in red and errors in grey: No colors available in Everything Debug Log.txt.
I did not find any of the above entries (hints for errors) in the Everything Debug Log.txt file.

The only thing I noticed was a couple of those entries:
2019-10-22 13:36:36.014: CreateFileW(): GetLastError(): 5: Failed to open volume \\?\Volume{126add44-5607-11e3-ba64-806e6f6e6963}
but I think you had classified such entries as irrelevant in another case.

Did I maybe do something wrong on the test?

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by NotNull » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:49 pm

I guess you also have to enable the debug console ( Ctrl-` to enable /disable it )

That will open a console window. Do not close it with the [X] in that window, but use a Ctrl-` in the Everything window instead.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 pm

Thanks for the advice! :)
I'm out of practice again. :roll:

I'll get back to that soon.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:32 am

Boy, I'd love to be a forum mod. Anyway...
void wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:09 am
Thanks for the information.

It sounds like the NTFS monitors are working, except some files are missed.

Could you please run Everything in debug mode, you don't have to send me any of the logs..

Just look for lines in red like the following:
unable to update ntfs folder: ABC: folder not found
unable to update ntfs folder: ABC: parent 0123456701234567 not found
folder name ABC already exist, yet FRN 0123456701234567 doesn't
unable to remove ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: file not found
unable to rename ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: move into child
unable to rename ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: not found
unable to rename ntfs folder: 0123456701234567: new parent not found
unable to add ntfs file: ABC.txt: parent 0123456701234567 not found
unable to remove ntfs file: ABC: file not found

Also look for the following errors in grey:
read NTFS usn journal failed x
read usn journal: bad cb x
read usn journal: record overflow
read usn journal: bad file name offset x, length y
read usn journal: bad record length x

If you see any of these messages, please let me know.
I reinstalled 1.4.1.935 and enabled debug logging. There are many "not found" entries; here is a small excerpt:
2019-10-22 23:21:29.750: unable to add ntfs file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 04df000000006bf0 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.752: unable to remove ntfs folder: 04df000000006bf0: file not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.756: folder name CachedFiles already exist, yet FRN 0x057f000000002c47 doesn't
2019-10-22 23:21:29.759: folder name CachedFiles already exist, yet FRN 0x057f000000002c47 doesn't
2019-10-22 23:21:29.762: unable to add ntfs file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.764: unable to add ntfs file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.767: unable to update file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.770: unable to add ntfs file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.773: unable to update file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.776: unable to add ntfs file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.780: unable to update file: CachedImage_2560_1440_POS1.jpg: parent 057f000000002c47 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.846: unable to add ntfs file: $ILDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.849: unable to add ntfs file: $ILDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.857: unable to update file: $ILDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.865: unable to add ntfs file: $ILDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.868: unable to update file: $ILDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.871: unable to rename ntfs folder: 01cb0000000072dd: new parent not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.873: unable to rename ntfs folder: 01cb0000000072dd: new parent not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.876: unable to remove ntfs folder: 01cb0000000072dd: file not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.884: unable to update ntfs folder: $RLDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.887: unable to update ntfs folder: $RLDNWCH.tmp: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.890: unable to add ntfs file: $IM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.897: unable to add ntfs file: $IM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.900: unable to update file: $IM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.903: unable to add ntfs file: $IM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.905: unable to update file: $IM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.908: unable to rename ntfs folder: 0332000000002cf6: new parent not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.916: unable to rename ntfs folder: 0332000000002cf6: new parent not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.919: unable to remove ntfs folder: 0332000000002cf6: file not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.922: unable to update ntfs folder: $RM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
2019-10-22 23:21:29.925: unable to update ntfs folder: $RM332LF: parent 07e4000000000cd2 not found
I did not find "usn journal failed", "bad cb", "record overflow", "bad file name offset", or "bad record length" entries, nor "read usn journal". I was a bit confused by your reference to "red" and "grey".

I shut down Everything after 7 minutes, since it was still "Updating database...", and I'm perhaps overly paranoid about wear and tear on my 6-year-old SSD.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by NotNull » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:22 pm

fury wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:32 am
Boy, I'd love to be a forum mod.
Please elaborate?

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by fury » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:25 pm

NotNull wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:22 pm
fury wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:32 am
Boy, I'd love to be a forum mod.
Please elaborate?
I'm not sure who is talking to who anymore, and I am no longer following this thread. I think I just wasted an hour of my time when I was not the one being addressed.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by NotNull » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:03 pm

fury wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:25 pm
I'm not sure who is talking to who anymore
Yeah, some threads here are quite confusing to follow (and sometimes I am partly to blame for that :)).
Thanks for clarifying!

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:44 am

tuska wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 pm
I'll get back to that soon.
Now I did the following...
Start PC, then after some time debug logging (single steps roughly summarized):

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- File - Export... CTRL+S --> C:\Tools\Everything\EFU\953124.efu  (153 MB)
- Completely exited 'Everything'
- Everything.ini debug_log=1
- Regedit.exe --> "C:\Tools\Everything\Everything.exe" -svc -debug-log
- Right clicked Everything and clicked Stop Service
- Right clicked Everything and clicked Start Service
- Restart Everything. -> Database update... running (takes a long time)
- 953137 objects
- 20191026@113019_Everything Debug Log.txt	 97.187	26.10.2019 11:30
- Force Rebuild
- 954751 objects | Difference: 1614 objects;
  Difference only in the .efu files -> drive C: ... *\Norton* and *\WindowsApps* ... Paths as specified above.
- 20191026@113435_Everything Debug Log.txt	161.931	26.10.2019 11:34
- File - Export... CTRL+S --> C:\Tools\Everything\EFU\954751.efu  (153 MB)
- 20191026@114601_Everything Debug Log.txt	413.291	26.10.2019 11:46
- 20191026@115306_Everything Debug Log.txt	500.863	26.10.2019 11:53
Result after checking the *Everything Debug Log.txt files:
None of the above error messages are contained in these files.

Result after checking the file: Everything Service Debug Log.txt ... renamed to:
20191026@115729_Everything Service Debug Log.txt 7.003.185 26.10.2019 11:57
None of the above error messages are contained in this file.

On my other internal (data-)hard disks (D:, I:, J:) I haven't missed any entries yet.
The PC is always used as a user and not as an administrator.

Tested with:
Windows 10 Pro (x64) Version 1903 (OS build 18362.449)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.4OGHz, 16 GB RAM
Everything - Version 1.4.1.955 (x64) - Beta Nightly Builds
Portable on Systemdrive C: in C:\Tools\Everything
Notnull wrote:I guess you also have to enable the debug console ( Ctrl-` to enable /disable it )
That will open a console window. Do not close it with the [X] in that window, but use a Ctrl-` in the Everything window instead.
I think this variant of debug logging doesn't have a console window.
The last time I saw one was in the topic "Everything - portable use",
in which an Everything.exe was previously specially prepared by the author.

Nevertheless I would be interested in this shortcut:
Could this shortcut be used to extract the content from a console window (with rapidly changing screen content)?
to the clipboard?

Does the shortcut refer to an English keyboard layout? (Here: German keyboard layout).
Which keys would I have to press at the same time on a German keyboard?

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by NotNull » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:30 pm

tuska wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:44 am
I think this variant of debug logging doesn't have a console window.
This is what I see on my system (file viewer uses tail option to keep up with recent changes to the log file):
2019-10-26 15_12_16-Window.png


On a German keyboard, the "`" ist zwischen ß und der Rücktaste.

Alternatively, you can add an extra keyboard shortcut (suggestion: Ctrl-Alt-D) to the debug console by adding it under Menu:Tools > Options > Keyboard : Tools|Console = CTRL+ALT+D (global)

tuska wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:44 am
Nevertheless I would be interested in this shortcut:
Could this shortcut be used to extract the content from a console window (with rapidly changing screen content)?
to the clipboard?
Use the mouse to selct some text in the console window.
Conhost.exe (the program responsible for all input/output to/from console applications) on Win10 will halt all further screen output until you press ESCAPE.
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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:59 pm

2Notnull
Thank you for your prompt response and support.

I was a bit confused, because e.g. in Winword I need SHIFT+` ...
Now I have set CTRL+ALT+D as shortcut like you suggested.

With CTRL+` the console does not open, but with CTRL+ALT+D.
NotNull wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:30 pm
... Use the mouse to selct some text in the console window.
Conhost.exe (the program responsible for all input/output to/from console applications) on Win10
will halt all further screen output until you press ESCAPE.
This can work, but my experience has shown that it usually doesn't work for me.
With CTRL+A this works reliably and afterwards with CTRL+C I can get the whole screen content,
and then filter in EmEditor for desired entries.

I assume that the console content is reflected in the Everything Debug Log.txt file.
Everything has now been clarified for me on this topic (debugging console).
Thanks again.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:02 am

Thanks for the logs.

It looks like some files and folders are missing because a parent folder was not indexed or is missing.
It's tricky to say without seeing the full logs as to why these parent folders were not indexed.
folder name CachedFiles already exist, yet FRN 0x057f000000002c47 doesn't
This is the first time I have ever seen this error reported.

This error occurs when a new folder is created, but that folder already exists in the Everything database (by name) with a different FRN.
This may occur if this folder was deleted and recreated and Everything missed the deletion. Again, I would need to see the full logs.
Folder FRNs can not change once a folder is created.
This CachedFiles folder has a very high Sequence Number (0x057f), so it looks like it is deleted and recreated often.

For future release I'll make sure Everything just removes the old inconsistent folder and re-adds it with the correct FRN. This may help pick up new changes, but not fix the underlying issue.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:59 pm

Today I did a verbose debug logging and a debug logging for the 'Everything Service' in 'Everything'.
Single steps roughly summarized:

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Start PC 08:45, then after some time at 14:40 
- File - Export... CTRL+S --> C:\Tools\Everything\EFU\953971.efu  (153 MB)
Verbose debug logging:
- Completely exited 'Everything'
- Everything.ini: debug_log=1 ... verbose=1 <-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
- Saved changes and restarted Everything.
- %TEMP%\Everything Debug Log.txt <---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
- 20191028@144516_Everything Debug Log.txt	690.798	28.10.2019 14:45
Verbose debug logging for the 'Everything Service'
- Regedit.exe --> "C:\Tools\Everything\Everything.exe" -svc -debug-log -verbose <-----------------------------------------------|
  ■ Everything Service
- Task Manager: Right clicked Everything and clicked Stop Service
- Task Manager: Right clicked Everything and clicked Start Service
- Restart Everything. -> Updating database... (takes now much longer)
- Admin required to see file "Everything Service Debug Log.txt" in C:\Windows\Temp\Everything Service Debug Log.txt  <----------|
  20191028@145410_Everything Service Debug Log.txt	2.032.747	28.10.2019 14:54
- 953977 objects
- Force Rebuild
- 955211 objects | Difference: 1234 objects
- File - Export... CTRL+S --> C:\Tools\Everything\EFU\955211.efu  (153 MB)
  Difference only in the .efu files -> ONLY drive C: ... ONLY *\Norton* ... Path as specified above. -> No problem at all for me!
- 20191028@150040_Everything Debug Log.txt		2.062.205	28.10.2019 15:00
- 20191028@150021_Everything Service Debug Log.txt	5.193.855	28.10.2019 15:00
- 20191028@151822_Everything Service Debug Log.txt	5.872.403	28.10.2019 15:18
- 20191028@151908_Everything Debug Log.txt		3.232.507	28.10.2019 15:19
- 20191028@160224_Everything Service Debug Log.txt	7.488.521	28.10.2019 16:02
- 20191028@160213_Everything Debug Log.txt		5.956.970	28.10.2019 16:02
- zzz.txt created as admin on drive C: (C:\zzz.txt) --> zzz.txt was found in 'Everything' IMMEDIATELY!
Result after checking the *Everything Debug Log.txt files:
None of the above error messages are contained in these files.

Result after checking the *Everything Service Debug Log.txt files:
None of the above error messages are contained in these files.

I only noticed this lines:

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20191028@150021_Everything Service Debug Log.txt ... (791 lines in total with "bad file record type 00000000)
20191028@151822_Everything Service Debug Log.txt ... (805 lines in total with "bad file record type 00000000)
e.g. 2019-10-28 14:56:14.377: bad file record type 00000000 ...

Tested under same conditions as above.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:07 am

bad file record type 00000000 ...
This is a empty NTFS record. Everything and Windows will ignore this file record.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:20 am

void wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:07 am
bad file record type 00000000 ...
This is a empty NTFS record. Everything and Windows will ignore this file record.
Thank you for that information.

Due to the number of entries, they probably cannot be related to those entries,
which I miss (usually 1250+ entries - only on drive C: in the above stated directories)
AND receive after a "Force rebuild"(!).

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by void » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm

Looking into this some more, it looks like some of these files might be hard links or folder junctions.

When a hard link is created or removed a USN_REASON_HARD_LINK_CHANGE notification is stored in the USN Change Journal.

Everything does not process USN_REASON_HARD_LINK_CHANGE notifications yet.
Adding new hard links is on my TODO list.

I'm also testing a fix that will add missing folders to the index.

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Re: Constantly have to "Force Rebuild"

Post by tuska » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:26 pm

On the point "Junctions" it looks like this to me:
2019-11-09_Junctions in Everything.png
Thank you for your continued efforts to find a solution.
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